tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9075324469668918466.post892457615025138206..comments2023-12-06T02:22:41.121-06:00Comments on The Hamburg Post: Christmas Eve: Gnostic Perspectivetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09917268285666551114noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9075324469668918466.post-9027001721558311542009-12-28T13:51:33.517-06:002009-12-28T13:51:33.517-06:00Anon..Yes, malice and prejudice. The CBO admitted ...Anon..Yes, malice and prejudice. The CBO admitted they found an error in the numbers that they used to determine how the Manager's Amendment would affect the dollars of the final bill. In the CBO report, which can be read at www.c-span.com/healthcare, stated that some double counting was done as the money going for Medicare was a onetime deal and not a "fund". Republicans attempted to discuss this aspect prior to passage but were rebuffed by the majority party. Another example of malice and prejudice lies in the buying of Senate votes. While I acknowledge concessions are typically made to get votes but this took "pet" projects to entirely new level. The deal the Sen. Nelson (D-Neb.) got in return for his vote is the best I have ever seen on the Hill. For his vote, Sen. Reid wrote in a provision that would exempt Nebraska from having to pay its share of any future increases in Medicaid either through Federal mandate and/or additional enrolment. Right now that is at $48M!!!<br /><br />So, do not sit where you sit and think I throw around words like goons, malice, and prejudice without regard for their meaning. I have not resorted to name calling, well one may think saying goon has, in this debate. Every poll, major ones, has public sentiment opposite of what is being passed in Congress. So, please, explain to me how these goons are not bending over America for their own political gain? <br /><br />I have acknowledged that there is some good within the bill but why not just pass the good parts and leave the special interests, pork barrel spending, and vote buying aspects out of the bill. Why not? What I want to know is why didn't Sen. Franken or Klobuchar get these types of deals for us in Minnesota? Both of them have touted how great our system is then why put it at risk and not try to emulate it in the "reform" bill? I have not lost my objectivity in this debate. I call the bill what it is just as I call the people that voted for it what they are. The reform passed does very little in achieving the reform required to bring down premiums, cover more people, and drive down costs.<br /><br />The only reason the deficit is involved in the conversation is because the Left wants to include government direct involvement in our lives and not remove the free market barriers that exist today to allow the free market to set the price, make it affordable to all, and drive down costs.tthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09917268285666551114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9075324469668918466.post-32332838432464178642009-12-28T11:40:09.554-06:002009-12-28T11:40:09.554-06:00Malice, prejudice? And what is it that you base t...Malice, prejudice? And what is it that you base those words on? Do you think 60 Senators thought that it would be fun to bend over the American people? That they acted in bad faith? Or, is it possible, that others believe as passionately as you do on the other end? That they believe, like many, that this reform is the best thing for the country? It seems you've lost objectivity on this subject matter and are left with name calling. .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9075324469668918466.post-87484032247696386042009-12-28T08:14:18.716-06:002009-12-28T08:14:18.716-06:00Anon..If the shoe fits and in this case those Sena...Anon..If the shoe fits and in this case those Senators that voted to pass "reform" on Christmas Eve morning did so with malice and prejudice that will not result in anything but more Washington special interest groups getting their way. I do not see their sacrifice since they could have voted to wait until after the holidays and take up the debate when Congress re-convened in January. So, no I do not see their sacrifice rather I see a selfish agenda played out in the Senate.<br /><br />Sen. Reid did not want to leave Washington D.C. without passage especially since Rep. Pelosi was able to accomplish it. Now the real fun will come as the conference committee meets in the Star Chamber to hammer out our path to the abyss. I hope that they come out of that conference committee with a bill that does reform the industry but I am not holding my breath.tthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09917268285666551114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9075324469668918466.post-40894187374239524142009-12-27T21:19:58.424-06:002009-12-27T21:19:58.424-06:00No, no it's the message. It could be you or R...No, no it's the message. It could be you or Rush, Beck, Olbbermann, Bill Maher, or anyone in the liberal media calling a liberal or conservative, independent or Green Party, Senator, Representative, President, state office holder, mayor or PTA member a goon and I would take exception to that label of someone who seeks to be a public servant. <br /><br />I think the service is quite obvious. They are the very people that shape this nation that you speak of in your mission statement. They represent they people who elected them and try to shape this country for the better. You may not agree with their vision, but it is a vision of a better country to them. Frankly, I don't believe you don't see it. <br /><br />The sacrifice is also clear and I again believe you see it. For this vote for one, they were away from their families for much of Christmas Eve. Not something to be taken lightly. They all, on both sides, have given much time and energy to address this piece of legislation. In a more general sense, they all work long hours and make decisions, often decisions that have long lasting implications. It is a stressful job that weighs on them. They are away from there families every week. They sacrifice seeing their kids grow each day and aren't always there for band concerts or sporting events. Not there to comfort a sick child or celebrate a birthday. And very many, there is a financial sacrifice. Many of those who serve our country with the hope of shaping a better country, could make far more in the private sector as lawyers and doctors and business executives. <br /><br />I wonder if it is you who is tied up in your own personal ideal to see what it is that those that represent us do. I have never seen you say that an opposing view may have merit, yet alone could be right. Yet you thank those who agree with you for saying so.<br /><br />You don't have to agree with them those Senators that voted for the legislation, but to resort to name calling does nothing to promote what you hope to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9075324469668918466.post-4691267729481156392009-12-27T18:30:05.056-06:002009-12-27T18:30:05.056-06:00Anon... please enlighten me to the sacrifice and s...Anon... please enlighten me to the sacrifice and service that those Senators are doing for all of us in the United States or is it that you are to tied up in the messenger to listen to the message?tthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09917268285666551114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9075324469668918466.post-8269674872752769592009-12-27T16:16:16.394-06:002009-12-27T16:16:16.394-06:00The impact of your message is greatly reduced when...The impact of your message is greatly reduced when you open by calling some of those who sacrifice and serve our country goons. It hardly seems in keeping with the true message of this time of year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9075324469668918466.post-38073729735666876432009-12-26T07:29:12.552-06:002009-12-26T07:29:12.552-06:00Thank you and you are welcome.Thank you and you are welcome.tthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09917268285666551114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9075324469668918466.post-3647578226256382512009-12-25T21:38:52.255-06:002009-12-25T21:38:52.255-06:00Beautiful, thank you and Merry Christmas to your a...Beautiful, thank you and Merry Christmas to your and your family and loved ones. Thank you for all your sound words and sharing your thoughts with the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com